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Youth Gathering with
Bhagavan
August 8, 2004
I am not able to set
right my relationship with my
wife? What should I do?
He is trying to understand
his relationship. There is no
use in it. It does not take
you anywhere. You need to learn
the art of experiencing the
relationship with your wife.
When there is joy in the relationship,
then that's it. If you're unable
to do that, then you can ask
me, if you have bondage. I will
give you blows (life lessons),
which in turn would turn out
to be bliss.
What is the difference
between an integral and a non-integral
person? (Integral means being
true to oneself.)
For a person having inner integrity,
there is no necessity of prayer.
Everything he seeks comes to
him through divine. But if he
chooses to pray, then it would
come fast. For a person who
is non-integral, things would
come late.
Can an un-enlightened
person be happy?
Yes, if heart flowers. But
that happiness cannot be compared
with that of an enlightened
person. The flowering of heart
means experiencing everything.
I think the reason
for man's suffering is his freewill.
What do you think Bhagavan?
Bhagavan smiles. It seems to
be a new teaching. When there
is self, there is problem. When
there is no self, there is no
problem. If the self disappears,
then freewill will disappear.
All existence is suffering.
When will I stop imitating
others? When will I discover
originality?
All of us are second hand human
beings. Let us take this robe
that I wear. Some people produce
the cloth, some stitch it, I
call it my robe. Start where
you are. And that is where you
have to be. That is the first
and last step. You cannot do
anything. (smiles.)
Please tell us three
easy ways to become rich?
Bhagavan laughs.
(1) Desire should come from
heart, and not head.
(2) You must have confidence
to deserve it.
(3) You should ask me like you
can ask a friend.
Because when you ask me as
a friend, then it will be difficult
for me to say no. But what you
ask should be reasonable. I
am not against desires, as long
as it doesn't hurt anyone.
You must have clarity in what
you are asking. I am like a
computer, be clear in what you
want. I believe in creating
wealth, eliminating poverty.
To make a person very rich is
easy in-fact.
What is the purpose
of darshan (Gathering with Bhagavan)?
What you do to us in darshan.
What happens?
When I close my eyes, I focus
on you, your prayers, so that
it gets fulfilled.
Bhagavan what is the
reason behind the existence
of this universe?
There need not be a reason.
We assume that there is a reason.
When you go to higher levels,
you will understand that there
can be no reason.
How must an un-enlightened
person confront relationships?
For an enlightened person there
is no teaching, his state will
guide him. For an un-enlightened
person, then you need to be
where you are, see what you
are. Be natural. If you have
jealousy, embrace it. You have
it because of the concept of
self. Accept it, that's it.
There is nothing wrong in having
it. If you accept your ugliness,
then sooner you will be enlightened.
If you escape, then God cannot
save you. Take the stand: I
am not enlightened, I have these
qualities (of ugliness), what
is wrong in that. This is the
best preparation to get enlightenment.
Bhagavan, how do we
tackle religion and religious
conflict?
I don't believe in fighting
religion. I believe in individual
transformation. If people get
transformed, religion could
die.
Is marriage a necessity
in human life?
I am not a teacher, I am a
technician working on the brain.
These things are not my cup
of tea. You do what your society
demands. I am not here to give
values to follow. If your relationships
are healthy then it's ok. I
would not condemn you, if you
marry four or five women or
if you have four or five girlfriends
and you marry none of them.
I am concerned about the healthiness
of relationships.
Bhagavan you are changing
our destiny. Will that have
an impact on us? Will my horoscope
have any impact?
I can change your horoscopes.
These things are possible. The
more you permit me, the more
I will do. Bhagavan smiles,
bring some person whose horoscope
tells that he will die today,
I can make him live for another
3 days.
Bhagavan, How was your
relationship with your parents?
Bhagavan smiles. Very good.
We were like friends. It was
excellent with both parents.
Bhagavan you say that
"your body is not yours,
don't abuse it". But we
are abusing it? Is this a conflict?
Bhagavan smiles. Yes, it is.
You are a tenant of your body.
You would understand all these
things when you go to a higher
state.
As females, we are
given less. We are forced to
live an ordinary life. We do
not know how to face it? Please
help us Bhagavan.
Take law into your hands and
fight it. Women have to battle
it. Form groups, select your
leader, then fight for your
rights. We did a process at
Golden City earlier where we
used to transform men so that,
at the end of the process, they
would fall at the feet of women.
They would start respecting
women.
Bhagavan, the way you
walk, you speak, you smile,
your body language, your mannerisms.
Will we get that also?
(Laugh) Yes, probably after
the end of your youth class.
(Smiles.)
Why good and evil co-exist?
There could be no creation
without bad. However it can
be fully experienced and enjoyed.
It is a perception. In the Golden
Age, perception is going to
change.
Bhagavan man is coming
empty handed. How does he become
egoistic?
Perception. It must change.
How does a little child
without any worldly experiences,
labels it as painful?
Because of the concept of self.
We are so dirty inside.
How does this feel for you?
I feel what you feel because
you are part of me. I wear a
mask. Because, otherwise I would
be weeping all the time, if
you would tell your problems
to me. So I wear that.
Bhagavan, I suppose
that people who are rude, lack
sat-karma (good or truth karma).
What will we do for their enlightenment?
If during the process, somebody
has no sat-karma to his credit,
then we tell them to acquire
sat-karma. They are told to
feed cows, dogs, birds which
are uncared for, not pets. After
doing this we start the process
again for them to give them
enlightenment.
Is there any difference
between animals and humans?
They are very much like human
beings. Insects also are like
human beings. In-fact you can
talk with them. I was told that
a youth asked me, I want to
know about animals. Bhagavan
responded by saying, yes I will
make you experience how an animal
behaves. Tomorrow in your class,
I will put you (your being)
into a lion, so that you can
experience it.
Bhagavan, could you
just tell, why the world is
not in peace?
(Bhagavan responds firmly)
Because you and your wife are
not in peace.
How does the process
of healing work?
It depends on what we heal.
If it is psychosomatic in origin,
then healing is done in the
mind. If it is physical, then
healing is first on the heart,
brain, immune system and the
body. By and large what is psychosomatic
in origin is what we heal and
we do other healings also. If
there is strong karma from one's
past lives, then the healer
would set right the cause for
the karma and then begin healing.
Except karmic, others forms
of healing can be done easily.
Where do I strike a
balance between respecting parents
and my ideals?
If you really show love to
your parents, they would automatically
start acting according to you.
They wouldn't be against you.
If after this, they continue,
then your ideals are important.
Bhagavan, I don't know
you physically. But my heart
is in search of the god. Is
it possible for me to see you?
I can still appear to you,
wherever you are. I can appear
in dreams also.
Bhagavan, you say that,
the body is not yours, thoughts
are not yours, self is a concept.
Then does it mean that only
divine will rules and not freewill?
There is Divine will only and
no freewill. You will discover
these things when you reach
higher state.
Bhagavan, did you recognize
Sri Amma as the other side when
you met her for the first time?
(smiles.) Yes, instantly we
both recognized. During the
process of Enlightenment, we
do the process on two nadis
(energy meridians). I handle
the Ida nadi and Amma the pingala
nadi. Sometimes we switch over.
If people have birth oriented
trauma, then Amma will handle
because she is a mother.
I also need to be inspired
and she does that. (Smiles.)
Bhagavan why did you
leave Sri Amma at Nemam (location
of other temple)?
I am dealing in enlightement
and she is dealing with human
desires - and people for desires
come in large numbers. So in
Nemam, Amma can handle that
crowd. But we meet two days
in a week. (Laughs.)
Bhagavan, Are you a
god? Are you my illusion? What
is the definition of god?
In IQ I am and I am not. Everything
has a paradox. If I do miracles
then I am. My body is subject
to physical limitations, so
I am not. When I am physically
in your presence, then I can't
appear as light, so I am not
god. But I can also appear as
light.
There is one Mahavakya
(life principle of Bhagavan).
There is no individual karma
only collective karma. When
I am not existing, how could
I have a karma for myself?
All you people are coming from
different lokas (dimensions
in the universe). When you want
to come to earth, you have a
choice of karma and vasanas
(negative life patterns) to
choose, and upon your selection
you come here. The moment you
choose that, we cut your memory.
That is why when people come
and tell me that I have this
problem and that, I see them.
It is they who had asked for
this life, so I can't do anything.
Is golden age creating
a spiritual revolution?
Yes, because it has to happen.
Time has come, so it is happening.
Bhagavan how do you
foresee that poverty will cease
in 2012. What type of government
do you foresee?
I have to be careful in answering
this. (Smiles.) The constitution
might change. More democratic
it would be. Unemployment will
vanish naturally. Not that government
will do that, but it will happen.
The government would support
it.
Bhagavan what is the
purpose of life? If the purpose
is to see God, then we could
have seen him before birth?
If you are truly living, this
question disappears. Only if
you don't live truly, this question
will arise.
Bhagavan do you fight
with Sri Amma? Do you have any
differences?
Yes. (Smiles.) It is about
grace to people. I wait till
a man learns and then give.
She says it has to be given
to him straight away. On these
issues we have problems. Otherwise
it is a healthy relationship.
Now people have found that,
if they don't get anything from
me, they go to Amma, and get
that done. (Smiles.)
Bhagavan, what is creativity?
How does one become creative?
After you work hard and set
aside thinking, then you can
be creative. Creativity should
be coming from inside. You have
to do really hard thinking and
also put aside the thought process,
then it would come automatically,
which you will not be aware
of. In silence creativity occurs.
Bhagavan, I experienced
emptiness after deeksha? I have
heard you telling emptiness
is fullness? Is it true?
Yes, they are two sides of
the same coin.
What is the difference
between ego and self-confidence?
Ego is of 6 types: the dominating
ego, the ego refusing to dominate,
the I am right or the you are
wrong ego, the covering up ego
and the defence mechanism. If
you are falling in these six,
then it is ego, otherwise it
is self-confidence. There is
no 7th type of ego.
Bhagavan, why do you
give only success and not enlightenment
to the youth?
We feel that if you are given
enlightenment, you won't be
successful (in the world). If
we feel we can give it, then
we will give.
Bhagavan is your grace
dependant on karma or independent
of it?
My giving grace is not dependent
on karma. But you receiving
it may depend on it. Certain
forms of karma may be obstructing,
but that can be cleared.
If everyone is enlightened,
will everyone leave this world?
The earth would be a paradise.
We all would have a gala time.
The parties and celebration
you have here, is the same in
other lokas also.
Final Message from
Bhagavan is stressed on Inner
integrity.
Be where you are and see what
you are. This is the first and
last step. Experience things.
Don't escape.
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